1 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:12,074 Learn Thai online with BananaThai http://osdb.link/bananathai 2 00:00:45,780 --> 00:00:49,460 Mr Nilsen has confessed to killing 15 men, 3 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:54,780 mostly homeless and vulnerable, over a period of five years. 4 00:00:54,900 --> 00:00:57,780 We're now in the process of confirming that number. 5 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,780 We're also aware that there are up to seven attempted murders. 6 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:05,780 So we ask anybody who may have visited 7 00:01:05,940 --> 00:01:11,780 195 Melrose Avenue from December 1978 to 1981 8 00:01:11,780 --> 00:01:16,380 or 23 Cranley Gardens from 1981 to February this year 9 00:01:16,540 --> 00:01:18,500 to please call Hornsey Police Station 10 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:20,120 on the number behind me. 11 00:01:24,660 --> 00:01:26,780 If you know of anybody that's gone missing... 12 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:31,680 ..sons, brothers, fathers... 13 00:01:32,340 --> 00:01:38,780 ..uncles, nephews, cousins, friends... please contact us. 14 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:43,620 Because we need your help. OK, questions, please. Yes, Tim. 15 00:01:43,620 --> 00:01:45,820 How many of the victims have you identified so far? 16 00:01:45,820 --> 00:01:47,500 Other than Stephen Sinclair, 17 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:49,260 we won't be naming any more of the victims 18 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,780 until official charges have been brought against Mr Nilsen. 19 00:01:51,780 --> 00:01:53,540 Charlotte. How likely is it 20 00:01:53,700 --> 00:01:56,780 that you'll identify all 15 of his victims? 21 00:01:58,220 --> 00:02:01,220 Well, we're still in the process of assessing and analysing 22 00:02:01,420 --> 00:02:03,780 the evidence from Melrose Avenue... 23 00:02:11,500 --> 00:02:14,380 PHONE RINGS 24 00:02:15,820 --> 00:02:18,480 Yes, yes, I understand. 25 00:02:18,780 --> 00:02:21,460 We're absolutely certain, he killed only male. 26 00:02:23,140 --> 00:02:25,780 His father recognised the knives on the television. 27 00:02:26,100 --> 00:02:28,780 Gave them to him as a gift for starting chef's school. 28 00:02:29,380 --> 00:02:30,240 But according to him, 29 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:32,200 his son never turned up on the first day of class 30 00:02:32,300 --> 00:02:34,680 and he hasn't seen him since May, 1980, 31 00:02:34,780 --> 00:02:37,620 which would match Nilsen's dates for his third victim. 32 00:02:38,140 --> 00:02:39,080 Next step? 33 00:02:39,300 --> 00:02:40,780 Well, Nilsen's requested a visit, 34 00:02:40,780 --> 00:02:43,980 so I'll take the photo with me and get him to confirm. 35 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:46,600 Requested a visit? Yeah. 36 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:48,780 I'm hoping he's remembered some more names. 37 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:51,820 How are you coping? Oh, good. 38 00:02:53,180 --> 00:02:55,980 We're trying to get through the 8,000 missing persons reports. 39 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,780 No, I'm good, thanks. We need more manpower, 40 00:02:58,780 --> 00:03:01,780 but you know that. I'm still trying. 41 00:03:02,620 --> 00:03:04,420 What's going on with John the guardsman? 42 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:06,780 Healey's checking all the guardsmen called John. 43 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:10,680 He's been on that for a few weeks. There's 256 of them. 44 00:03:11,220 --> 00:03:14,340 Gonna take some time, but he'll find him. 45 00:03:15,340 --> 00:03:20,820 Speaking of which, erm... We think we might have another lead. 46 00:03:21,540 --> 00:03:24,580 Lodge found three dental plates in the dig at Melrose. 47 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,400 One of them is only made in Germany. 48 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:30,400 So he thinks if he can go over there... To Germany? 49 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,080 ..he can narrow it down and probably come up with another name. 50 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:35,780 Guv, look, I know it's a long shot, but... 51 00:03:36,780 --> 00:03:38,980 ..if we get another name, it's gotta be worth it, right? 52 00:03:41,100 --> 00:03:44,400 There's talk from the Yard. As far as they're concerned, 53 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:46,780 they already have him on three counts of murder. 54 00:03:47,380 --> 00:03:49,540 We told the press last week we think it's 15. 55 00:03:49,660 --> 00:03:53,580 Why do you think we're still active? I'm just warning you. 56 00:03:53,780 --> 00:03:56,400 We need to start closing the leads we already have, 57 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,600 not opening new ones, especially in different countries. 58 00:04:00,260 --> 00:04:02,640 They're nervous about how much this is costing already. 59 00:04:02,820 --> 00:04:04,340 Oh, so this is about money? 60 00:04:04,780 --> 00:04:09,280 Everything is always about money, Peter. We've just gotta be smart. 61 00:04:11,780 --> 00:04:13,300 Thank you. 62 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,780 It's no wonder that half of Category A's on hunger strike. 63 00:04:20,780 --> 00:04:23,120 I might well join them, just to break the monotony. 64 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,440 No. Oh, and let me tell you... 65 00:04:28,780 --> 00:04:31,780 ..it's perfectly feasible to be on normal rations in here 66 00:04:31,780 --> 00:04:34,120 and still effectively remain on hunger strike. 67 00:04:34,420 --> 00:04:36,000 I don't even know why I'm Category A in the first place. 68 00:04:36,180 --> 00:04:38,420 I'm hardly gonna escape, commit suicide. Des... 69 00:04:38,580 --> 00:04:39,820 Help I'm giving the police should be rewarded, 70 00:04:40,060 --> 00:04:41,780 not punished. Let me see what we can do. 71 00:04:42,980 --> 00:04:44,320 You said that before. 72 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:53,780 Martyn Duffey. Is he one of them? Yeah, of course. Martyn. 73 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:55,380 He was number three. 74 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:57,440 The one I told you about that I met at Euston Station. 75 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:01,560 Have you any more? Hopefully soon. 76 00:05:02,780 --> 00:05:05,780 You said that you had some more information for me. 77 00:05:05,780 --> 00:05:08,300 Or was that just so you could talk about your living situation? 78 00:05:08,300 --> 00:05:12,400 No, I'd never do that. Any news about Bleep? 79 00:05:12,940 --> 00:05:14,780 Just, I've heard nothing about her since I got in here. 80 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:19,780 I'll call the dogs' home. See what I can find out. 81 00:05:21,820 --> 00:05:24,080 I actually have another name for you. 82 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:27,620 Uh... Yeah, one of the young men at Melrose Avenue. 83 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:29,780 I just woke up, his name was just there. 84 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:31,780 Kenneth Ockenden. 85 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:35,580 Ockenden? Hmm. 86 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:40,780 You're a 100% sure? Kenneth Ockenden? 87 00:05:40,980 --> 00:05:43,780 Yeah. The Canadian lad, was all over the news when he went missing. 88 00:05:43,900 --> 00:05:47,780 Did you hold his name back from us? No, why would you say that? 89 00:05:48,900 --> 00:05:51,360 I want these people identified and laid to rest 90 00:05:51,460 --> 00:05:54,820 just as much as you do, Mr Jay. I'm simply trying to tell the truth. 91 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:02,800 But he can't have. Why not? 92 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,780 Because Ockenden was investigated for three years. 93 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:09,140 Right, they found nothing. What are you thinking? 94 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:10,980 Well, we're gonna request the files 95 00:06:11,100 --> 00:06:12,780 and treat it as a murder investigation. 96 00:06:12,980 --> 00:06:15,080 What's the problem? I know some of the guys, Peter. 97 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:17,460 Ockenden was a difficult case for them. 98 00:06:18,020 --> 00:06:20,520 And the press weren't exactly kind when they couldn't find him. 99 00:06:20,660 --> 00:06:22,240 All right, Steve, request the files. 100 00:06:24,780 --> 00:06:26,780 Can I tell Martyn Duffey's dad? 101 00:06:26,900 --> 00:06:29,780 I made him certain promises when he first came forward. 102 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:31,400 Yeah, course. 103 00:06:31,540 --> 00:06:34,120 Sorry, boss, you might both want to hear this. 104 00:06:34,500 --> 00:06:36,780 Someone's just called saying he's Nilsen's biographer. 105 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,640 Eh? Yeah. He asked if we could tell him 106 00:06:39,700 --> 00:06:41,780 anything about the investigation or the arrest. 107 00:06:42,620 --> 00:06:44,780 No, look, that's just a rag trying to get a quote. 108 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:48,220 If they call back, tell 'em to piss off. Gladly. 109 00:06:49,420 --> 00:06:52,820 Steve? Let me know when you get the files. 110 00:07:00,020 --> 00:07:02,780 Kenneth Ockenden. Canadian tourist. 111 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:06,060 Left his hotel in Kings Cross December 3rd. 112 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:09,980 He was meant to meet his uncle on the 5th 113 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:12,840 to collect some money for a plane home for Christmas. 114 00:07:13,860 --> 00:07:15,040 He was never seen again. 115 00:07:15,340 --> 00:07:18,080 What, and Nilsen's only just remembered this? 116 00:07:18,140 --> 00:07:20,260 Nilsen says he met him in a West End pub. 117 00:07:21,580 --> 00:07:24,540 They talked about his camera, they spent the day sightseeing. 118 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:27,840 That night, he strangled him with a headphone cord 119 00:07:27,940 --> 00:07:30,480 as Ockenden listened to music in Melrose Avenue. 120 00:07:31,060 --> 00:07:33,780 He disposed of his body in the garden, as per, 121 00:07:33,940 --> 00:07:36,820 so we are currently looking for any signs of him in the dig. 122 00:07:36,940 --> 00:07:39,820 Now, look, we all hope that we find something at Melrose, 123 00:07:39,900 --> 00:07:43,380 but until we do, these files are our... 124 00:07:44,500 --> 00:07:45,780 ..they're our best shot. 125 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:49,800 Now, look. I know you all think you might know about this case 126 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,480 because of the media coverage, but we can't half-arse this. 127 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:57,320 Nilsen is in there. Somewhere. 128 00:07:58,000 --> 00:07:59,160 Have you finished? 129 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,380 I tell you explicitly not to open any more leads 130 00:08:03,460 --> 00:08:06,040 and you open Kenneth bloody Ockenden! 131 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,420 Ockenden's mother had links to the Canadian parliament. 132 00:08:09,780 --> 00:08:11,780 His disappearance became political! 133 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:14,020 So you can imagine the Yard's reaction 134 00:08:14,100 --> 00:08:18,320 to you making it a murder enquiry with a serial killer as a suspect. 135 00:08:18,420 --> 00:08:20,580 Nilsen says he killed him, Guv. Of course he did! 136 00:08:20,700 --> 00:08:22,520 He'd say anything to stay in the papers. 137 00:08:25,660 --> 00:08:28,460 Ockenden doesn't fit the victim profile, Peter. 138 00:08:29,060 --> 00:08:31,780 He wasn't homeless or an addict. He wasn't even gay. 139 00:08:32,020 --> 00:08:34,780 He had a girlfriend back in Canada. That doesn't mean anything. 140 00:08:34,780 --> 00:08:36,320 Then why did he go home with him? 141 00:08:38,460 --> 00:08:39,780 What evidence have you found? 142 00:08:44,780 --> 00:08:46,820 You want us to tell his family 143 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:50,420 that a boy the police couldn't find for three years 144 00:08:50,560 --> 00:08:52,500 was actually killed by a former copper, 145 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:54,600 and you don't have any physical evidence?! 146 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:56,440 When's he ever lied to us before? 147 00:08:56,860 --> 00:08:58,320 I've been trying to help you. 148 00:08:59,220 --> 00:09:02,040 Get you the money and support you need to close this case. 149 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:04,400 But you went behind my back 150 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,040 and made us look like a bunch of amateurs! 151 00:09:09,780 --> 00:09:11,520 You better be right about this. 152 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:27,080 TV REPORTER: 'The gruesome search continues at 195 Melrose Avenue 153 00:09:27,140 --> 00:09:29,940 'for what police now believe are dismembered remains 154 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,900 'that have been buried in the garden for three years or more. 155 00:09:33,020 --> 00:09:36,060 'All day, detectives and forensic science experts 156 00:09:36,140 --> 00:09:39,440 'have been taking the bones for examination in a laboratory. 157 00:09:39,580 --> 00:09:42,420 'We found a small piece of the jaw 158 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,480 'and some teeth attached to it, in the rear garden. 159 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:49,280 'And this morning, they found a significant amount of human bones.' 160 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:57,120 Of what we've brought in, a big percentage of them 161 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:58,800 turned out to be animal bones. 162 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,500 But of those that are definitely human, 163 00:10:01,580 --> 00:10:06,280 we estimate we have between eight and 20 different victims. 164 00:10:07,940 --> 00:10:09,280 Are any of them from Ockenden? 165 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:15,200 No. But a lot of them we couldn't analyse due to fire damage. 166 00:10:15,500 --> 00:10:19,280 Did we manage to identify anyone from them? I'm afraid not. 167 00:10:21,620 --> 00:10:24,280 There must be some more tests we can do. 168 00:10:24,660 --> 00:10:27,280 Look... I know it's not the news we hoped for. 169 00:10:27,900 --> 00:10:29,280 But it was always gonna be a long shot, 170 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:31,280 considering the amount of time passed 171 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:34,920 and the astute method of disposal. 172 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:41,280 I'd say we were fortunate to get Martyn Duffey. 173 00:10:41,580 --> 00:10:44,360 But you said there could be as many as 20? 174 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:47,280 Well, as I say, it's an estimate, but it's certainly a possibility. 175 00:10:50,020 --> 00:10:52,960 I'll give you gentlemen a minute. Thank you. 176 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:01,960 We need to re-test the headphones found at Cranley Gardens. 177 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:05,640 Peter, all Ockenden is doing 178 00:11:05,700 --> 00:11:07,860 is sending us up a bunch of blind alleys. 179 00:11:08,940 --> 00:11:11,280 We may need to move on from him. You heard what he said. 180 00:11:11,740 --> 00:11:13,120 Possibly 20 victims. 181 00:11:14,100 --> 00:11:16,560 Which means Nilsen may have been lying to us from the very start. 182 00:11:19,020 --> 00:11:20,280 I'll call it in. 183 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:31,880 I made something for you. 184 00:11:34,620 --> 00:11:36,500 It's all jumbled and in no special order, 185 00:11:36,580 --> 00:11:38,740 but I figured, you're the artist. 186 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:44,280 Only you know what's important and how to select it, so... 187 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:52,320 What made you draw these? Nostalgia, I suppose. 188 00:11:58,740 --> 00:12:02,280 I thought you told the police that you didn't remember your victims? 189 00:12:02,540 --> 00:12:03,640 No, their names, no. 190 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:06,840 But that doesn't mean I don't remember our time together. 191 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,960 I took him up on maybe four occasions 192 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:15,600 in the following two weeks. 193 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:20,860 What did you do when you "brought him up"? 194 00:12:21,460 --> 00:12:23,280 Well, his naked body fascinated me. 195 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:27,280 I'd roll him onto his stomach, roll him onto his back. 196 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:29,280 Touching him. Stroking him. 197 00:12:29,560 --> 00:12:32,280 I was thrilled that I had full control... 198 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:35,280 ownership over this beautiful body. 199 00:12:35,540 --> 00:12:40,580 So control was the, um... motivation? 200 00:12:41,420 --> 00:12:43,800 Well, nothing's ever about one thing, Brian. 201 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:49,280 Sometimes I'd put them in the other armchair next to mine 202 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:51,600 while I'd watch an evening's television. 203 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,180 I'd look over and imagine what we'd be talking about, 204 00:12:54,260 --> 00:12:57,280 if he could speak. Then at other times, 205 00:12:57,400 --> 00:12:59,280 you know, I couldn't actually believe this was happening, 206 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:00,640 that this was my life. But, uh... 207 00:13:02,740 --> 00:13:04,280 ..death gives no refunds. 208 00:13:06,540 --> 00:13:08,280 We spend so much time talking about me, 209 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:10,540 but I feel I hardly know anything about you. 210 00:13:11,540 --> 00:13:12,760 I don't even know if you're married. 211 00:13:13,420 --> 00:13:17,500 No, no. But I do have my emotional attachments. 212 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:21,880 OK. Maybe a more simpler question. 213 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:27,640 Do you remember when you first became aware of death? 214 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:30,480 I grew up in a fishing village, Brian, so... 215 00:13:31,660 --> 00:13:34,280 Death surrounds you when the sea's involved. 216 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:35,980 That and the poverty. 217 00:13:37,940 --> 00:13:41,280 I saw my grandfather's corpse when I was six year old. 218 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:44,760 How did he die? At sea. He was a fisherman. 219 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,280 And they brought his coffin back to the house, 220 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:53,060 it was normal back then. And my mother, erm... 221 00:13:54,500 --> 00:13:56,280 ..woke me up and said, "Do you want to see your grandad?" 222 00:13:56,560 --> 00:13:58,780 I went into the living room and he was there, in a box. 223 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:01,280 How did they explain that? Well, they didn't. 224 00:14:02,780 --> 00:14:05,280 You didn't know that he was dead? No, they just said he was sleeping. 225 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:09,420 After he left, the mystery of death, it always fascinated me. 226 00:14:09,780 --> 00:14:15,720 Sometimes I'd put talc on my face, paint my lips blue and poke my eyes 227 00:14:15,820 --> 00:14:18,880 till they were bloodshot and just look in the mirror. 228 00:14:19,780 --> 00:14:22,280 To make yourself seem dead? Aye. 229 00:14:22,900 --> 00:14:25,280 And was this by yourself or... 230 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:30,280 ..with somebody else there? 231 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:32,280 Both. 232 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,280 What would you do then? 233 00:14:37,300 --> 00:14:38,960 I would just sit and stare. 234 00:14:41,180 --> 00:14:44,040 Imagining the abyss as I touched him. 235 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:48,740 And myself in my own dead image. So this is about sex. 236 00:14:48,940 --> 00:14:51,020 No! You keep looking for these simple answers, 237 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,160 but you debase it to make it purely about that. 238 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:54,820 I'm not trying to simplify anything, 239 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:56,700 but you did have sex with these young men 240 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:58,740 after they had died. No, I did not. 241 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:04,940 Did I enjoy them? Yes. Did I... gain some satisfaction 242 00:15:05,100 --> 00:15:09,280 from looking at their naked bodies next to mine in the mirror? 243 00:15:09,660 --> 00:15:10,820 But I didn't penetrate them. 244 00:15:11,140 --> 00:15:12,840 Look, look, the wicked thing that I did 245 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:14,880 was to squeeze the life out of a human being. 246 00:15:14,900 --> 00:15:17,220 That was wrong, that was unforgivable, 247 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:18,760 I will be properly punished for it. 248 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:20,820 But what I did to a corpse is neither here nor there. 249 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,280 Brian, if you are more disgusted by what I did to a corpse 250 00:15:24,380 --> 00:15:26,280 than what I did to a living man, 251 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:28,720 then your moral system is upside-down 252 00:15:28,900 --> 00:15:30,280 and needs overhauling. 253 00:15:33,380 --> 00:15:34,280 You're right. 254 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:41,280 I didn't intend to judge you. 255 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:48,280 Let's go back to your childhood. Did you have many... 256 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:51,960 Any friends at school? I'm glad we're doing this, Brian. 257 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:57,540 Me too. It's nice to be listened to. 258 00:16:00,620 --> 00:16:02,140 Makes me feel human again. 259 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,280 All these, treating me like a criminal. 260 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:07,560 Do you not consider yourself to be a criminal? 261 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:09,660 How I consider myself is obsolete. 262 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:13,280 I deserve the right to be treated as innocent until proven guilty. 263 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:15,840 Not have to wear the clothes of a convicted felon 264 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:17,660 whilst I wait for my day in court. 265 00:16:20,060 --> 00:16:21,560 Surely you can see that? 266 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:35,380 We're sorry about the result of the dig. 267 00:16:36,060 --> 00:16:40,360 We all share your disappointment. Thank you. It was a blow, 268 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:42,800 but we have other points of enquiry we're now investigating. 269 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:44,980 There's been a development. 270 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:49,280 Turns out that Nilsen's been getting regular visits from a biographer. 271 00:16:49,780 --> 00:16:52,120 Apparently his letter got through the prison censors 272 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,280 and they'd been meeting for a number of weeks. 273 00:16:54,460 --> 00:16:56,960 Our fear here is that it's only a matter of time 274 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:58,720 before the victims' identities, 275 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:00,940 and especially one as well known as Ockenden, 276 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:02,180 become public knowledge. 277 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:06,020 Therefore, we feel we need to inform his family. 278 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,960 We're still looking for confirmation on Ockenden, sir. 279 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:11,580 The only reason we've been patient up until now 280 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:12,560 was the hope that the dig 281 00:17:12,620 --> 00:17:15,280 would give us something to tie Ockenden to Melrose. 282 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:16,840 But it's been a month. 283 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:19,280 I'm aware of that. But if we had more men 284 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:21,680 and the word processor I've requested again and again... 285 00:17:21,780 --> 00:17:24,340 Peter. There is nothing I would like more 286 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:28,180 than to find Ken and to bring anyone who harmed him to justice. 287 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:30,860 But if we don't have any evidence by now... We'll find the evidence. 288 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:35,220 I admire your confidence. 289 00:17:36,860 --> 00:17:39,120 But this investigation is beginning to harm 290 00:17:39,120 --> 00:17:42,120 the reputation of the Metropolitan Police. 291 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:45,140 We've only just repaired the damage done by the riots. 292 00:17:45,180 --> 00:17:46,620 How are we damaging its reputation? 293 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:50,240 Because people are starting to ask why this is all taking so long. 294 00:17:50,360 --> 00:17:52,680 Do you know how an investigation works? Peter. 295 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:55,060 Wait for me outside. 296 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:11,880 What the hell was that? Top brass care more 297 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:13,720 about their reputation than finding these men. 298 00:18:13,780 --> 00:18:14,620 Oh, grow up. 299 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:17,060 You're not the only one who cares about this case. 300 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:21,640 Let me give you some advice, Peter. Toe the fucking line! 301 00:18:25,700 --> 00:18:29,420 Yeah, that's fine. No, I don't mind holding while you find out. 302 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:32,080 What's going on? Healey thinks he's got John. 303 00:18:32,220 --> 00:18:34,140 Don't bloody jinx it, Steve. 304 00:18:35,540 --> 00:18:37,280 All the guardsmen were accounted for, 305 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:39,780 so we were screwed, basically. Back to square one. 306 00:18:40,300 --> 00:18:43,780 I went to see the West End branch, asked them if they knew any Johns 307 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:45,560 from High Wycombe that frequented Soho. 308 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,640 After giving me a load of grief about the Ockenden case, 309 00:18:49,540 --> 00:18:50,520 they threw me a name. 310 00:18:50,900 --> 00:18:53,360 John Howlett. 311 00:18:53,980 --> 00:18:57,280 A ne'er-do-well, in and out of different homes as a kid, 312 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,280 well-known on the streets of Soho. 313 00:18:59,740 --> 00:19:01,640 Sound familiar? Yeah. 314 00:19:01,820 --> 00:19:02,900 Now we're just checking 315 00:19:02,940 --> 00:19:06,280 the blood type from the remains in Cranley. OK. 316 00:19:06,540 --> 00:19:08,860 I think we deserve a bit of luck, don't you? 317 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:10,700 Yes. 318 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:13,040 Yep. 319 00:19:15,500 --> 00:19:17,440 OK. Thanks. 320 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:21,520 We got a match. 321 00:19:24,140 --> 00:19:25,560 Great work, Chris! 322 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:27,720 Why do you think Nilsen said he was a guardsman? 323 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:30,280 I've got no idea. 324 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:33,280 First round's on me! You coming? 325 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:35,280 I'll be there in a bit. 326 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:37,280 I've just gotta finish up here first. 327 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:03,900 Thought you were all down the pub. 328 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:10,500 You, uh... looking for anything in particular? Kenneth Ockenden. 329 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:12,880 Not gonna find him there in the Cranley Gardens log. 330 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,280 Did we fingerprint the camera? We did. 331 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:19,620 What about the books we found? Yep, all the covers. 332 00:20:20,100 --> 00:20:21,280 But not the pages? 333 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:22,920 How do you touch pages and not the covers? 334 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,000 There's just a few books that might give us something. 335 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,280 The photography book, the London guide, things like that. 336 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:28,320 The A to Z. 337 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:32,880 Guv, is this a good use of time? 338 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:39,680 I'll see what I can do. 339 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:12,720 Can he harm us? I don't see how. 340 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:17,280 What do you think they talk about? I don't even wanna know. 341 00:21:17,460 --> 00:21:19,720 Guv. Woman at the front desk, 342 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,000 thinks her ex-partner might be a possible victim. 343 00:21:22,220 --> 00:21:23,280 Cheers, Chris. 344 00:21:23,860 --> 00:21:26,800 Yeah, he's on his way down. Great. 345 00:21:28,120 --> 00:21:30,080 He went missing about a year ago. 346 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:35,280 Last time I saw him, he came round to the house. 347 00:21:35,740 --> 00:21:37,420 We'd been separated a few months, 348 00:21:37,540 --> 00:21:39,320 said he wanted to spend more time with Shane. 349 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:41,680 But I knew he was just there for the money, 350 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:43,280 so he could go down to Soho and score. 351 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:48,040 We had an argument that day and he left. 352 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:50,280 And I haven't seen him since. 353 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:54,120 A week after that, he had a court date, which he missed. 354 00:21:55,620 --> 00:21:57,760 And he always attended court, no matter what. 355 00:21:58,460 --> 00:21:59,880 So I went down to the job centre, 356 00:22:00,100 --> 00:22:01,120 they told me he hadn't signed on. 357 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:02,280 So then I rang his solicitor, 358 00:22:02,580 --> 00:22:05,280 and they told me to wait a while and that he'd show up. 359 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:06,860 But I knew. 360 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,660 And then I saw you on the news, 361 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,540 and even though I know Graham wasn't bent, 362 00:22:12,580 --> 00:22:15,660 just something kept turning in my gut. 363 00:22:15,780 --> 00:22:21,100 Not all of his victims were gay. Some just needed a bed or some food. 364 00:22:24,700 --> 00:22:27,800 Do you have a photo? Yeah. 365 00:22:30,900 --> 00:22:32,280 This. 366 00:22:37,060 --> 00:22:39,120 So, he had a criminal record? 367 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:43,360 Of course. He almost wore it as a badge of honour, 368 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:44,740 you know, him against the system. 369 00:22:46,780 --> 00:22:48,560 I just need to know what happened. 370 00:22:50,820 --> 00:22:53,520 I know he's been a bit of a shit, but... 371 00:22:54,700 --> 00:22:56,080 he's Shane's dad. 372 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,280 DCI Peter Jay to see Dennis Nilsen. 373 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,280 I need you to identify some photos. How's Bleep? 374 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,280 Well, you made it pretty busy for me the last time I was here, Des. 375 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,600 Haven't had a chance to find out about your dog. 376 00:23:34,120 --> 00:23:38,020 Graham Allen and John Howlett, AKA John the Guardsman. 377 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,120 Although he wasn't a guardsman, was he? 378 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:42,560 He was just another young man, 379 00:23:42,620 --> 00:23:44,280 finding his way on the streets of Soho. 380 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,280 I am sick of helping people 381 00:23:47,580 --> 00:23:49,720 who take advantage of my good nature. 382 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,280 I am deserving of some more balance. What, like with your biographer? 383 00:23:59,740 --> 00:24:01,480 Did you kill these men? 384 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,280 How many people did you kill in Melrose Avenue? 385 00:24:08,580 --> 00:24:10,800 Did you kill Kenneth Ockenden? 386 00:24:11,260 --> 00:24:13,680 If I hadn't wanted you to, you wouldn't have found me. 387 00:24:13,900 --> 00:24:15,900 So why would I lie to you now? Look at the photos. 388 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:17,600 I've been convicted of no crimes as of yet, 389 00:24:17,620 --> 00:24:20,220 therefore I am innocent until proven guilty. 390 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:21,180 Where is this coming from? 391 00:24:21,220 --> 00:24:23,300 In Category A, like some kind of dangerous criminal... 392 00:24:23,360 --> 00:24:25,960 Look at the photos and tell me if you killed these men... 393 00:24:26,020 --> 00:24:26,960 What am I gonna do? Escape? Intimidate a witness? 394 00:24:27,060 --> 00:24:28,320 Des! I'm your only witness! 395 00:24:34,620 --> 00:24:37,700 This man has a seven-year-old son. 396 00:24:40,120 --> 00:24:43,280 Do the right thing, and look at the fucking photos. 397 00:24:51,620 --> 00:24:53,280 Did you kill this man? 398 00:24:59,460 --> 00:25:00,980 No comment. 399 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,420 Detective Chief Inspector Peter Jay. Brian Masters. 400 00:25:25,580 --> 00:25:27,280 Drink? No, thank you. 401 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,280 You found it all right, then? Oh, yes, no trouble at all. Good. 402 00:25:46,940 --> 00:25:50,940 So, how long have you been writing? 403 00:25:51,460 --> 00:25:56,560 About 15 years. You? I mean, how long have you been a policeman? 404 00:25:56,660 --> 00:25:57,960 Nearly 23 years. 405 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,280 How many books have you written about people like Nilsen? 406 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:09,400 Well, this is my first. Then let me give you some advice. 407 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:12,480 Walk away. 408 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:18,760 Well, with all due respect, Mr Jay, I didn't approach this naively. 409 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:20,340 Well, why approach it at all? 410 00:26:21,260 --> 00:26:24,480 I mean, you think you can understand these things he did? 411 00:26:24,700 --> 00:26:28,780 I'm not sure that understanding is useful here. 412 00:26:29,120 --> 00:26:32,040 The term is emotional and more often than not, 413 00:26:32,120 --> 00:26:32,960 it leads us to answers 414 00:26:33,060 --> 00:26:35,640 that are indicative of our own prejudices. 415 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,720 It's not about understanding, it's about comprehending. 416 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,280 Isn't that the same thing? 417 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:47,280 Humans kill. It's in our nature. 418 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,640 Out of fits of rage or jealousy, or self-defence. 419 00:26:51,140 --> 00:26:56,280 But to kill so many men without any real reason... 420 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:02,280 I think it's important that we try to comprehend why this happened, 421 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,280 and how this person came to pass. 422 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,280 I need you to tell us 423 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,280 everything that Nilsen's told you about the identities of his victims. 424 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,780 Well, I don't have any more information than you already have. 425 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:17,680 Well, you've been talking for months. 426 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,540 We talk about other things. 427 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:24,640 Such as? His childhood. His time in the army. 428 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,960 Was he killing in the army? No. 429 00:27:28,060 --> 00:27:31,600 How often have you been visiting him? Once or twice a week. 430 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:33,840 When's the last time you saw him? Four days ago. 431 00:27:34,540 --> 00:27:38,280 And, he wrote to you? No, I wrote to him. 432 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,280 I'm not really sure why we're here. 433 00:27:46,540 --> 00:27:49,280 Nilsen is no longer helping us with our investigation. 434 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,800 Since when? What, he didn't tell you? 435 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,280 Has he even mentioned Kenneth Ockenden? 436 00:27:58,500 --> 00:28:00,800 Did he kill Kenneth Ockenden? I didn't say that. 437 00:28:04,900 --> 00:28:07,960 If he mentions any names, you have a duty to report them to us. 438 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,280 Oh, it's not as simple as that. 439 00:28:11,700 --> 00:28:14,280 Perverting the course of justice is very simple. 440 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:18,680 If you are suggesting 441 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,440 that I had anything to do with his retracting his cooperation, 442 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,120 then you are gravely mistaken, Mr Jay. 443 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,000 And if you wish to take this conversation any further, 444 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,100 then maybe I should telephone my solicitor. 445 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,240 If you wanted to write a book about Nilsen, 446 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:43,320 you should have come to us first. We'd have given you the real story. 447 00:28:44,220 --> 00:28:47,280 But you're all so fucking fascinated by him, aren't you? 448 00:28:54,740 --> 00:28:56,680 Afternoon. Good afternoon. 449 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,920 Ever since I've come to this hell on earth, 450 00:29:14,980 --> 00:29:18,460 I have been disrespected, abused, humiliated. 451 00:29:18,500 --> 00:29:20,960 I have done nothing but help an investigation, 452 00:29:21,220 --> 00:29:23,280 for which I have not yet been convicted. 453 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,280 Nobody cares about my years of public service, 454 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,700 my work with the unions, that goes unnoticed. 455 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:29,560 Why didn't you mention Kenneth Ockenden? 456 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,740 You've spoken to Mr Jay, I see. Yes. He contacted me. 457 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:37,840 Yeah. 458 00:29:40,780 --> 00:29:43,280 I didn't mention Ken cos he's the one I regret. 459 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:45,940 The day we spent together was so happy. 460 00:29:46,260 --> 00:29:47,800 The happiest I'd been all year. 461 00:29:48,060 --> 00:29:51,400 Unlike the others, his death was a kind of cruel 462 00:29:51,580 --> 00:29:54,000 and horrid parody of what could've been. 463 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,700 Well, do you not feel any guilt or remorse? 464 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:04,020 Why? They live with me in my cell, Brian. 465 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:06,460 All of them. 466 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,720 How can I feel remorse when I have taken those pains into myself? 467 00:30:09,820 --> 00:30:11,100 That's obscene. 468 00:30:11,980 --> 00:30:14,120 Look, I'd give anything for any one of them 469 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,280 to walk in here right now and shoot me dead. 470 00:30:16,580 --> 00:30:20,960 But the sad fact is they had to die to get attention for their plights. 471 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,280 Because the public pious aftercare comes too late. 472 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,800 And when this is all over, the Des Nilsens, 473 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,040 and the Stephen Sinclairs and the Martyn Duffeys of this world 474 00:30:30,180 --> 00:30:33,660 will still stagger along, unnoticed and alone, 475 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:38,120 because society is more interested in death than it is in life. 476 00:30:38,220 --> 00:30:43,280 These people that you mention... they weren't Kenneth Ockenden. 477 00:30:43,420 --> 00:30:48,280 You say so yourself. So what was it that made you kill Kenneth Ockenden? 478 00:30:48,940 --> 00:30:50,280 He was... 479 00:30:52,540 --> 00:30:53,960 They were all my type. 480 00:30:54,940 --> 00:30:56,280 Simple as that? 481 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,400 I once strangled and drowned a young man. 482 00:31:01,500 --> 00:31:03,640 And then, when he was lying on the bed, 483 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:08,140 I noticed Bleep licking his face. He was still alive. 484 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,080 So I resuscitated him. 485 00:31:11,420 --> 00:31:13,380 And he was very confused when he came to, 486 00:31:13,420 --> 00:31:15,060 he didn't know what had happened. 487 00:31:15,620 --> 00:31:17,680 And he was there for days, me taking care of him. 488 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,220 And then, when he was well enough to leave, 489 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:24,180 I took him up to Highgate Station and we arranged to meet again, 490 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:25,100 the week after. 491 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,280 Well, the week after came and went, and he never came back. 492 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:31,720 Perhaps he should've stayed in my flat. 493 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,500 The thought of them leaving triggered the impulse? 494 00:31:38,780 --> 00:31:40,280 Everybody leaves. 495 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,620 Friends, colleagues, boyfriends, they all disappear eventually. 496 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,380 My grandfather, my great hero and protector, 497 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,480 was the only person that I ever loved. 498 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,980 Seeing my grandfather in that box... 499 00:31:56,060 --> 00:31:57,620 ..all my troubles started there. 500 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,280 See, it blighted my personality permanently. 501 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:02,960 That's why I did all these things. 502 00:32:03,580 --> 00:32:05,280 That and the booze and the music. 503 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:11,340 It whipped me up into a sort of frenzied fantasy, 504 00:32:11,420 --> 00:32:13,480 that brought the devil and the darkness. 505 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,280 But without that, I'm harmless. No, Des, no. 506 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,280 It is not your place 507 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:22,900 to make objective reasons why you did these things. 508 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,420 Especially with this spurious logic. 509 00:32:26,060 --> 00:32:27,580 Whose place is it then? Is it yours? 510 00:32:27,660 --> 00:32:34,280 No, this book cannot be a subjective look at your life and your actions. 511 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,280 We both of us, we must remain objective. 512 00:32:37,580 --> 00:32:39,960 And if there are any lessons to be learned, 513 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,280 it is up to the reader to decide, not us. 514 00:32:43,660 --> 00:32:47,280 All these ruminations and hypotheses might be helpful to you, 515 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:51,280 but... it can't be the end of the road. 516 00:32:51,900 --> 00:32:54,420 That's not what I'm here for. 517 00:32:58,420 --> 00:33:01,700 Brian, would you do me a kindness? I need to find out about my dog. 518 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:02,640 Could you do that for me? 519 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,280 Yes, I'll see what I can do. 520 00:33:23,620 --> 00:33:26,280 Peter. Gotta come and see this. 521 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:35,280 Brian? Guv. 522 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,280 We've got a partial print off the A-Z which ain't Nilsen's. 523 00:33:39,660 --> 00:33:41,280 Looks like Ockenden's. 524 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,280 You sure? 525 00:33:58,980 --> 00:34:01,280 Hell of a hunch, Guv. 526 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:35,660 Ah. Thank you. Peter, this is Commander Lockwood. 527 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,380 You know Russell. Good to meet you, sir. 528 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:40,820 Peter, I'd like to congratulate you. 529 00:34:41,500 --> 00:34:44,420 Although we were all understandably sceptical at first, 530 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,840 Ockenden is a huge weight off this force. 531 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,980 Thank you, sir. It wasn't the easiest one for us, 532 00:34:51,060 --> 00:34:52,780 but it shows we're getting through it. 533 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,280 Well, obviously these things can't last forever. 534 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:59,200 And upstairs feel that confirming Ockenden 535 00:34:59,260 --> 00:35:02,020 is a natural place to wrap things up. 536 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,120 Therefore, a decision has been made. 537 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,280 We're going to charge him with six murders 538 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:09,520 and bring the investigation to a close. 539 00:35:09,700 --> 00:35:13,780 Sir... if I may, I think this is a mistake. 540 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,280 We have leads which I'm sure will bring us more names. 541 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,500 A woman called Lesley Mead has come forward. 542 00:35:19,780 --> 00:35:22,720 We suspect her ex-partner might be a victim... Detective. 543 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,800 We have spent a fortune on your team's overtime alone. 544 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:31,100 Six murders. He never gets out. Charging him with six is a joke... 545 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:32,020 Peter. But Guv... 546 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,280 The decision has been made. Please, sir, if I may. 547 00:35:35,580 --> 00:35:37,500 There are at least nine families 548 00:35:37,580 --> 00:35:39,280 who will never get closure if we stop now. 549 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,120 We just need more time and we'll find all 15, I'm sure of it. 550 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,040 But we're not even sure he killed 15, are we? 551 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,280 And now that he's stopped talking to us, perhaps we'll never know. 552 00:35:49,700 --> 00:35:53,280 No. It's time for you and your team to move on, Peter. 553 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,020 I'm sure your families will be very happy to see you. 554 00:36:18,900 --> 00:36:22,060 Can I, erm... can I have everybody's attention? 555 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,420 Scotland Yard have just given the order to shut us down 556 00:36:27,500 --> 00:36:29,060 and to charge him with the six we've got. 557 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,280 I can't tell you how proud I am of this team. 558 00:36:39,700 --> 00:36:42,280 And of the work that we've done together over the past four months. 559 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:45,500 The six we found... 560 00:36:47,540 --> 00:36:48,960 Well, that's the kind of police work 561 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:50,820 you can't just do from behind a desk. 562 00:36:52,980 --> 00:36:56,800 You're a credit to yourselves... and each other. 563 00:37:00,740 --> 00:37:02,080 Thank you. 564 00:37:24,780 --> 00:37:27,280 Nilsen, a 37-year-old civil servant, 565 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,080 was arrested and charged after human remains were discovered 566 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:34,400 at two properties in North London. He has now been committed to trial 567 00:37:34,500 --> 00:37:37,500 for six charges of murder and two attempted murders. 568 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:41,280 The former police officer is due to appear in court later this week, 569 00:37:41,460 --> 00:37:45,140 where he is expected to plead guilty on all charges. 570 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,280 DOOR BELL 571 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:06,040 Peter. Steve! 572 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,960 Can I get you anything? No, I'm fine. Thank you. 573 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,280 I'll leave you to it. Thanks, love. 574 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,280 How have you been? Yeah, not bad. 575 00:38:15,860 --> 00:38:18,280 What have you got? It's about the Nilsen case. 576 00:38:18,500 --> 00:38:20,480 Of the remains found in Cranley Gardens, 577 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,000 one of the jaw bones had scars 578 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,380 on both sides of the jaw due to a fracture. 579 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:27,280 Take a seat, mate. 580 00:38:27,660 --> 00:38:30,280 Graham Allen had his jaw broke in a fight. It's in his record. 581 00:38:31,660 --> 00:38:33,520 That doesn't necessarily mean it's Allen. 582 00:38:33,860 --> 00:38:36,280 So, Bowen goes to Allen's odontologist. 583 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,840 Finds a denture that he had made, but never picked up. 584 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:40,280 It fit the jaw. 585 00:38:40,740 --> 00:38:42,940 Graham Allen is the third victim of Cranley Gardens. 586 00:38:49,020 --> 00:38:51,280 When he came round to the house that day... 587 00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,940 ..the last thing that I said to him was... 588 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,280 .."I hope that you never come back." 589 00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:05,280 He'd have known you didn't mean that. 590 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,900 Would he...? Sorry. 591 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:12,680 SHE SOBS 592 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:18,600 Would he have... felt any pain? 593 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:21,280 I don't think so. 594 00:39:22,540 --> 00:39:24,220 OK. 595 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:29,640 Lesley, erm... 596 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,060 You know we've already charged Nilsen. 597 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,280 That indictment's already been written up and processed. 598 00:39:43,220 --> 00:39:44,280 What are you saying? 599 00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,280 We can't add Graham's name to the list of Nilsen's victims. 600 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,160 But you just said that he killed him. He did. 601 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,380 But the court has a time limit to add names, 602 00:40:07,720 --> 00:40:10,280 and that passed a few days ago. 603 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:16,980 SOBS 604 00:40:21,580 --> 00:40:24,000 SHE STAMMERS 605 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,800 So Graham doesn't get any justice? 606 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,280 I'm afraid not. 607 00:40:32,060 --> 00:40:33,120 SNIFFS 608 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:40,180 DOOR SLAMS 609 00:40:44,500 --> 00:40:46,280 The Guv called me when I was on leave. 610 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:48,860 He said that our squad 611 00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,280 was being seriously considered for a commendation. 612 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,920 I think he thought it would make me feel better. 613 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:55,800 But all it did was make me more angry. 614 00:40:59,540 --> 00:41:04,020 You got, uh, two kids, right? Sorry, Steve, I mean, I should know that. 615 00:41:04,540 --> 00:41:07,280 Four. Two boys, two girls. 616 00:41:10,580 --> 00:41:12,080 Linda wants another. 617 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,940 Well, I mean, our first, another for me. 618 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,440 You not so much? Well, I'd like to. 619 00:41:20,460 --> 00:41:22,600 But I've already fucked it up four times. 620 00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:26,280 This job does that. How are the boys? 621 00:41:29,660 --> 00:41:31,520 I haven't seen them for a while. 622 00:41:32,340 --> 00:41:33,940 I'm sorry to hear that, Peter. 623 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,280 We should have stopped him, Steve. 624 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,160 We caught him first chance we could. But we should have known. 625 00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,120 Sometimes it's just not possible. 626 00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:48,280 I mean, he had a normal life, a normal job. 627 00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:53,280 You going to the committal hearing? Yeah. You? 628 00:41:53,420 --> 00:41:56,900 Aye. I can't wait for it all to be over. 629 00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:58,580 D'you know that he was the one 630 00:41:58,700 --> 00:42:00,500 that wrote the letters about the blocked drains? 631 00:42:01,720 --> 00:42:04,020 Told his landlord he wouldn't pay rent until they were cleaned. 632 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,300 I mean, this whole thing, it's always been to Nilsen's script. 633 00:42:18,980 --> 00:42:21,460 Brian? Hello? 634 00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:25,720 A dogs' home called for you. 635 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,940 They said further to your enquiry, Nilsen's dog has been put down. 636 00:42:31,140 --> 00:42:34,280 He asked me to find out about his dog, that's all. 637 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:40,280 I need to get him to trust me. Otherwise all this is for nothing. 638 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,800 So, what, now you're doing errands for him? Oh, come on. 639 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,740 Someone who knows our world, our community, needs to write this. 640 00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:51,960 Otherwise they'll get it wrong. I mean, they'll fuck it up. 641 00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:56,440 They already are. Please... please try and understand. 642 00:42:59,660 --> 00:43:02,280 Just make sure it's not him who's writing it. 643 00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,280 REPORTERS CALL OUT 644 00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,400 Inspector! Having spent so much time with Nilsen, 645 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,280 can you tell us what is he really like? 646 00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,380 Unremarkable. What makes you say that? 647 00:43:30,540 --> 00:43:32,440 REPORTERS CALL OUT 648 00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:57,000 This is a surprise, Brian. Hello, there, Des. 649 00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,600 How are you doing? Ah, I can't complain. 650 00:44:00,700 --> 00:44:02,280 If I did, who'd listen? 651 00:44:03,780 --> 00:44:05,180 Des, erm... 652 00:44:07,700 --> 00:44:12,000 ..Bleep was put down by the dogs' home. 653 00:44:13,660 --> 00:44:17,620 She became ill not soon after you'd been arrested 654 00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:23,280 and they thought that it would be kinder that way. 655 00:44:25,580 --> 00:44:28,040 She forgave me everything and never let me down. 656 00:44:29,980 --> 00:44:31,720 But in the moment of her greatest crisis, 657 00:44:31,860 --> 00:44:33,120 I wasnae there for her. 658 00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,280 How's the book progressing? 659 00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,280 It's coming along very well, thank you. 660 00:44:42,980 --> 00:44:46,280 I'm currently writing about your experiences in Aden. 661 00:44:46,580 --> 00:44:49,580 Another place the British Army should have never been. 662 00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:53,280 When they came to get me, I thought you were my solicitor. 663 00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:58,280 Sorry? Solicitor? I thought you'd dispensed with your legal aid? 664 00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,280 Change is the only constant in life. Who said that? 665 00:45:01,720 --> 00:45:03,860 Heraclitus. Yeah. 666 00:45:05,580 --> 00:45:08,700 No, well, this solicitor, this one has a tax-deductible heart, 667 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,000 but needs must, y'know? 668 00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:15,280 Right, well... I'll see you up there. 669 00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,000 I do wanna thank you, Brian. 670 00:45:21,620 --> 00:45:24,660 For what? Your company. 671 00:46:01,900 --> 00:46:03,280 All rise. 672 00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:26,280 Dennis Andrew Nilsen, on count one of this indictment, 673 00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,120 you are charged with the murder of Stephen Sinclair. 674 00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:34,120 How say you, are you guilty or not guilty? 675 00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:38,280 Not guilty. 676 00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:39,120 COURTROOM MURMURS 677 00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:43,020 On count two, you are charged with the murder of Kenneth Ockenden. 678 00:46:43,100 --> 00:46:47,280 How say you, guilty or not guilty? Not guilty. 679 00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,660 On count three, you are charged with the murder of John Howlett. 680 00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,460 How say you, guilty or not guilty? 681 00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,120 Not guilty. 682 00:46:57,305 --> 00:47:57,798 Check out more than 100 online Thai lessons on BananaThai, osdb.link/bananathai 683 00:47:57,848 --> 00:48:02,398 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0